With it, you can create any number of columns, any width, any gutter width. Why relearn a whole new css gridding system when you could symply adjust the current one with a supplied online tool? I think the safe bet right now is to stay with Has it come to the fore for any particular reason? I designed our site using a centralised px wide format. I never liked the grid myself. Since I do both design and coding, trying to keep up with all the different grid classes seemed too much.
Personally, I keep all designs at px or smaller, and keep elements within the design divisible by At least with everything divisible by 10, I can keep pads even, gutters even, etc. If I really need room, then I can cut back to divisible by 5 or 2 when needed, but I try to keep it more simpler.
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I think you didnt find the way to increase the width of the Go to the site and look there is way to make it more width as you wish, also gutter can be reduced as we wish. Grid systems are totally overrated, to declare ones better than the other over 30 pixels is pretty silly. I totally agree with you Erik!!! I found the Best grid based wordpress free theme framework.
Thorough framework we can create the grid based wordpress theme. This is for children of mothers who take more risks in the future is going to have depression. Nice review, as you montioned the font size constrait and the gutter space must incrase , i think i this case the content area and the the gutter space depends on the font size and the content sapce desired in each project so if we have a project with 12px font or less we can use gs and the the 20px gutter space if is 13px or more the gs is good choice.
Thank you for sharing your toughts. I think the gutter is too wide. I prefer px width 12 columns of 64px and 20px gutters. What is friendship? Mont Blanc PenWhy do we call a person our friend? When do we call someone a very good friend? I personally think this is a nonsense. The ideal grid is the one which fits on your needs. There is no a standard column or gutter width to apply, just think what you need for the design you are doing and full stop.
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But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could connect with it better. Youve got an awful lot of text for only having one or 2 images. Maybe you could space it out better? Just found out about the grid system today. I use Grid, but wonder if it will soon change, since the avarage screen resolution is now x pixels and higher.
This is the very question I am struggling with now. For or work well with the more predominant resolution of the public web. Feels like we DO in fact need a higher grid system. There is a responsive px grid system out there, highly recommend people check it out. Do we really have to fill every pixel on the available screens area? Then again, this is just my thought ;-.
I agree. Personally I enjoy a wider screen so I can have multiple programs up and have them side by side. I agree with Fidelity. But I think it depends on the project. There are certain kinds of projects that benefit from more space available. However, I believe the best approach for interface design right now is to be concerned with less, and not more stuff.
Less space, less content, smaller screens. Design now must be neat, straight foward. We must be good at taking the right stuff off, and not at occupying the pixels on the screen. And still so many web pages are designed around fix-width layouts of px. Be creative. Think of web pages as something horizontal rather than vertical.
Think adaptive layouts. If you use grid system generator, you can input desired gutter width and download the template. Well, Our hope should be in the future predictions. I believe it depends on how much content you have. I think the main reason why gs is getting outdated is not the bigger displays but the smaller ones, the tablets and smartphones.
Can you please explain this remark? I would think the reason to keep the gs is because of the smaller mobile devices. I think he means the size should be smaller, due to the fact so many people are using smaller devices to access the internet. I feel this grid system is so out dated not even funny.. I have used my css files to move all my content around. This is a poor mans way of design!
I vote dump this old crap and move on to new ideas. It works great and looks good. This new grid would be:. And about creating a new grid system. So I think that if a new grid must be created, it should be adapted to that resolution.
Great article. I really appreciated it tremendously. Having a very difficult time deciding on revising the width of our website which was apparently using a GS which I was unaware of at the time. I was disappointed to see that others seemed to have just a little more real estate regarding width. I was about to do a redesign to get me towards until I read this article and even hesitate on the GS. While the text will be crisper, the viewing area really cannot be much larger than what provides at the standard DPI.
You can compare the others. Just some thoughts on compatibility. Perhaps the GS is still optimal for all purposes even if it is a tad tighter. Its how we make it better! Those stuck in the past will wonder why the sites looks rubbish, and realise that they have a cac browser. Its not rocket science! Because of this the grid works great especially with how easy it is to maneuver blocks around when you do shrink a website for mobile devices.
I recently developed my own solution that has worked pretty well on several projects. Now, I am in the process of redeveloping some older projects with the new basis. We use the grid for development reasons but are learning that the grid might not be best for mobile devices. Also, I agree with the author, it might be getting a bit old. If it was hard thinking of websites for a variable width in the past, now we have to get used to creating websites for all kinds of widths now, with more and more conditionals depending on screen size.
For me the big issue is having clients that don;t fully understand the importance of content and write it off as something useless…god knows why, but, using a larger width for me means WAY to much whitespace half of the time so is perfect. On the other hand, for personal things, i prefer , i find it is a little more asthetically pleasing to me with a little more space between multiple elements…So i suppose, the proper answer for me is it is dependent on the project….
The GS is still the best. Though today websites come with higher fonts or people use higher resolutions, this system will fit into any kind of client browsers. It is good for web designer as well as browsers. I found this px grid that looks like it would work great. Obviously its wider, but is also fluid so it adapts for smaller screens. Its practically impossible to use any horizontal lines. Ask for yourself, does a regular computer user have a monitor as big as ours for higher resolutions or not.
While is a good benchmark for safe-width, I think that its too wide for most uses. For the same reason that people advocating 16pt type on websites are mostly wrong. Remembering that line length should be around characters for readability, if you are using 13pt type, your body column will barely fill half the width.
That encourages people to go for 3 columns. I think this is bad. You could use bigger type, but this means a more scrolling, and b wider images in that column, if you want to use full width images, as most do.
The problem with wide images is that, aspect ratio being fixed, they are also taller. That means even more scrolling. A wide column with a portrait image in it wont even be visible all at once on a netbook, or a landscape tablet.
I think that the site width should be a function of content. So generally, two columns, in a third: 2-thirds ratio, should give you a width of about, oh… Which magically enough, is the width of a portrait iPad.
Shorter is not an issue, its longer line lengths that are hard to read because the eye has farther to trace back one the eye has reach the end of a line. So yes, line length should not stretch the entire length of a grid.
Any respectable designer would present the content with appropriate line lengths. You argue that scrolling is an issue, yet you also argue for a grid which forces all content into a more narrow space. Leading to more scrolling with the same amount of content. A portrait iPad is NOT the screen size for the majority of users.
Where width is the dominant value. Therefore a wider grid makes better use of screen resolution than a narrow one. You can always make the primary content of a fit into But to limit the layout to is counter productive. Stop trying to find The Meaning of Life in iProducts. Guys, there is NO standard, period. Video loading Join Drupalize. Me to watch this video Join today and gain instant access to our entire video library. Log in Sign up. Auto scroll on Close Transcript filter. Part b What exactly is Grid system?
I did check Is it better to use grid system using the template from We need to allow some window chrome, so it needs to be less. We'd ideally like it to have lots of factors, allowing us to split it into equal size columns with integer widths. When designing to a fixed width, it's wise to design so most people don't see a horizontal scrollbar. If your design is pixels wide, a page that is higher than the viewport say pixels for simplicity , will suddenly introduce a vertical scrollbar, eating away the available horizontal space which suddenly is less than pixels minus the width of the vertical scrollbar.
So you need a width less than minus the width of the vertical scrollbar. The width of a scrollbar isn't much more than 20 pixels, but to take into account non-maximized windows and end up with a number that's easily divisible into as many factors as possible, since that makes designing fixed-size boxes or columns easier.
As has more factors than , was chosen. It's a partially false safety net to base the design on a fixed width of pixels, though, since many people won't maximize their windows or even re-size them properly, so even with resolutions higher than , their browser window might not fit pixels.
That's why responsive web design is beginning to take off, where designs are more fluid and responsive to the user's device settings like screen resolution. A grid system is just a set of predefined CSS class names that you can use in your HTML documents to align the different boxes in your design into a "grid" that matches one or more common layouts for web design.
A grid system is good if you're unfamiliar with CSS and find it difficult to align the boxes in both width and height your design is composed of. If you find CSS simple enough to write yourself, I recommend you write it yourself.
I also recommend not to use strictly fixed width columns, but instead more responsive web design like mentioned above to accommodate different screen sizes better than a fixed-width design is capable of. There are probably other "magic" numbers in this respect. I think the divisibility reason is the primary reason.
A grid system is used to have elements line out on the same vertical lines. This way you can have a row of lets say 8 elements and one of 4 and have the same space between your elements. If you look at the link you can see the white margins between the elements are the same wheter you make a cell layout or a cell layout 12 col based. You'll get mobile devices and a few x screens, but there are few and far between. The extra space on the side s of the page allows for window borders and scroll bars, while not obscuring the content.
Here is a different way of thinking about grids. Nobody has mentioned pixel density. It has been rumored that the next Mac OS version Leopard may introduce resolution independent display technology. Next version of the coporate site will be That size works for our audience and we need the room for content.
I think we had hung on to X for no logical reason though. We could have done this a year ago. The new size divided up beautifully, lots of room for content and our old friend whitespace. We did pretty much the same analysis as Thomas Baekdal in our german weblog. The results confirm his findings. Viewport width at pixel chart These figures show the viewport width of users with a screen resolution width of pixels.
As you say, choosing is a handy number as it can be divided wholly by so many numbers. Another point worth noting is that whole numbers are particularly important to Safari when creating a grid, as for some unfathomable reason, it cannot deal with decimalised percentages such as I think Barry Haanstra makes a really good point here!
Almost every new device out there is being equipped with WiFi already. Right now, almost all of these screens have a max. Has anyone else noticed that both px px and px px are We use a combination of fixed and fluid sites for our clients, but i can concur that recently last 3 months for the fixed width layouts we have been used px, px, px and px. You just HAD to bring up ?! All the comps are px wide. Anyway great topic.
You do have a good point here, actually. I made my site a long while back x, but did it at pixels wide as I looked at other sites at the time that made their websites for that resolution. Some people find it distracting to have content from other applications visible around the edges of their browser window.
Too much clutter. So they maximise their window to drive away distraction - and do so regardless of the application or the screen resolution. For example: the elderly; people who use computers for recreation rather than work; less tech-savvy people. Windows dedicates a lot of screen space to chrome, but this waste reduces when the window is maximised. Users learned a long time ago that the quickest way to eliminate unnecessary scrollbars was to maximise their window.
We settled on a px width yes, Width-wise only, the leaderboard ad and house ad stretch the full width, with NAV and editorial content underneath as follows from left:. Tool Rail - px starting 4px in gutter - 10px Editorial Content chewy centre - px gutter - 10px Utility Rail - px gutter - 10px Premium Content - px.
The chewy centre content is elastic and collapses from the right to accomodate those few remaining x screens studies showed them to be 20 percent or less of our readership. Article pages are also elastic. When re-designing such large environments, its always a tug-of-war between hugely disparate parties like advertising, editorial, design, development.
In the end its almost less of a re-design than a difficult course in UN mediation. But our odd choice of size has left us with a rigid grid that is flexible all over the place for ad and editorial content. Do any of you designers use Flash for your websites?
Or pop-out windows? The problem with fixed layouts is that we set a width for everybody. The problem with fluid layouts is that people may have looong unreadable lines. I guess we could use fixed-fluid layouts : Setting widths with ems, at least for the content column, so that the number of characters per line would be the same even if we change the font size. Sounds good.
But another problem would appear : wich width should we use? If at standard font size the site is px large, it would then be wider if you increased the font size, and a horizontal scroll bar would appear.
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